For those who are uncomfortable carrying one in the chamber, I would ask how long you've
owned guns? I ask because I didn't
own a gun until Dec of 2012, learning all the early safety rules from my
Son. I then took classes and read everything I could get my hands
on, but it was a long journey from new gun owner to where I am now.
I am no expert by any definition you can think of, but I am comfortable
carrying cocked and locked. This wasn't the case early on when I carried
in my house - before receiving my CCL. It was a bit unnerving to visualize one round sitting in the pipe awaiting the hammer, but I practiced and learned and as I had more questions, I
searched for the answers and slowly came to the realization that one in the chamber was not only safe, but was the smart thing to do if I intended to carry.
I'm still learning every
day. I belong to several gun forums and I listen and learn from those who
have been doing this a long time - far longer than I. On the other hand,
listening to someone who believes if you aren't comfortable carrying one in the pipe, then you shouldn't be carrying at all, I think they should remember not all gun owners grew up with
guns and don't have a life long rapport with a loaded weapon. Not all of us are "into" guns - I think of them as
nothing more than a tool for self defense or as a work of art - and many of us only have our carry
gun... or maybe plus 1.
I think it's far more important to keep telling people to train. To learn.
To work at it. Eventually you will become comfortable with one in the
pipe. It may take time, but you will get there.
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If it's funded by taxpayer money, then it's a public place and we should be able to carry. I
understand courthouses, but the rest? Not so much.
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I don't own laser sights, but hopefully I will be buying another gun this year and I was contemplating if its worthwhile to buy laser sights for an EDC.
When I train with my Son's SIRT pistol, or at the range, I am basically just
pushing the gun to the target and firing. I don't really take the time to
aim thru the gun sights. I figure that most gun fights start quickly, are at very close range and
are chaotic and adrenaline filled, and when you throw in shooting on the move,
I just find it hard to believe anyone has either the time or the conscious
inclination to watch where the laser is - instead falling back on point and shoot training.
The other thought I had... I don't know if I want a laser that turns on as
soon as my hand hits the grip, especially if its for home use. I might
want to remain unseen and this might work against me in that situation.
On the other hand, I can see where that little green/red dot dancing lightly in the
middle of a criminals shirt may be a deterrent to a very bad situation
escalating to a shooting situation.
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"Attempted illegal gun purchases occur 30,000 to 40,000 times each year
among U.S.
firearms retailers, according to a survey by the Violence Prevention Research
Program at the University of California-Davis."
I wonder if they question why there aren't very many prosecutions? I
mean, really, if you have proof this is happening at this rate, why aren't
there more prosecutions? Like most gun studies done by anti gun programs masquerading as legit fact finding studies, it kinda' makes you
question if the numbers are true.
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I'm just tired of the word "free" being tossed around like candy
to kids. I'm sick of being told the "Government" will pay for
things, when in fact its the Citizens who pay. I'm tired of being told
that I am somehow responsible for the cost of others Healthcare, Child Care,
College Tuition, Living Expenses, Housing Expenses and such.
If you are a Democrat / Liberal / Progressive and you believe our
Constitution is wrong, our Bill of Rights is wrong, and you believe Socialism is better than what we have, then have the stones to say so. Don't
hide behind emotion filled speeches and fear monger warnings.
If
Socialism is such a great thing, something you are proud of, something you believe is the way to a bright new day, why do you lie to meet your end results? Why don't you trust the supposed truth of your ideology? Don't be a coward in your convictions. Step right up to the plate and be
somebody. Say it out loud. Own it.
But you don't, and your gutless aversion to being truthful to yourself is sad.
Hillary is your 'next big thing' for our Country. She is an Alinsky disciple through and through. She wholeheartedly believes in the adage - "The ends justifies the means." She lies at the drop of a hat and knows those who side with her, who have no honor in their convictions, will smile, nod and wink.
I fear for this country.
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Life vs Property as a reason to shoot. This example was used in my CCL
class by Mike Bius of
Illinois Gun Pros...
Your Child falls into a shark tank filled with hungry sharks, would you jump
in to save him? Of course you would. Now consider that you dropped your
very expensive $6000 Rolex watch into the same shark infested tank. Would you jump in to
retrieve your watch?
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I subscribe to Concealed Carry Magazine, like many do, and they had a
terrific, three part series titled
"Inside School Shootings - What We Have Learned" that dealt with school shooters and what we now
know - including statistics that showed high capacity mags and semi auto rifles
- so called assault weapons - have no bearing on the death toll of school
shooters. Their stats showed these madmen fired at a very slow rate and
not what Anti's would have the public believe, and in many instances the rate
of fire was that of a bolt action rifle and never above the rate of any handgun. The article concerned itself
with a clear, unbiased and concise look at the statistics and with the information gleaned
from active shooter situations, dealt with the best ways to defend our children
without the benefit of an armed response.
The evidence just keeps piling up in our favor, but it's like talking to a
brick wall. Sometimes I think it's more important to show the public the
amount of tax payer money being thrown away on legal bills that are born
from chasing moonbeams.
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How can you argue for a magazine limit without any proof that any certain
number of rounds is "the" number? If you don't have proof, or a
study making the case for "X" amount of rounds, then the alternative
is that it is an arbitrary number. As in "yeah, 10 rounds,
that's the ticket!" How the heck does that work? How do you
defend the magazine limit? It just seems so stupid and cut and dried.
Or am I missing something?
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So, Drxxx, as people come into the church and you pat each of them down, the nutcase with a gun will just meekly stand in line? And when you arrive at the would-be psychopath killer, your telling me you believe he is just going to slump his shoulders and hand over his gun in defeat? Just like that?
Yeah, right.
One person had this response to a suggestion that Marines be allowed to carry a sidearm after the shootings in Chattanooga...
Sharon xxx
So, Sharron xxx, Marines are sitting at their desks, talking to other people, on the phones, drinking coffee, going about their workday.
Outside a maniac with a diseased mind makes his way across the parking lot, his brain foggy with its own mindless yammering, his pulse pounding in anticipation of this personal Great Thing he intends to do.
He walks up to the doors and without warning, open fires - Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! - and in a heartbeat, he realizes he's trying to shoot through bulletproof glass! So, instead of reaching out, opening the doors, walking in and continuing his onslaught, you believe he would hang his head, turn slowly and walk away in defeat.
Yeah, right.
After the Aurora theater shooting, Tom had this thought...
Tom
Anyone saying "if only someone was packing and had shot the guy" needs to realize that it'd be next to impossible for even a trained person to do that in a dark theater with a loud movie running, one that's full of tear gas and panicking people, with an assailant who's dressed in black and wearing body armor. Odds are they'd have easily hit some more bystanders instead, increasing the already horrific body count.
So, Tom, you and the Wife stroll on down to the local theater to catch the latest action flick. The movie is intense, interesting and is pleasantly holding your attention. About halfway through the movie, some loud shots go off, startling you - is it part of the movie? Then smoke, more loud bangs, people screaming.. what the hell? Others are running for the exits and before you completely comprehend the situation, the theater is in utter chaos.
About four rows in front of you stands a man in black, shooting slowly, with lethal intent, the surrounding tumult a stark contrast to his matter-of-fact, slow and steady approach to mass murder. You see people trying to escape, running, falling, some shot, some scrambling for safety, frantically climbing over others, bounding over rows of seats or crawling low across the concrete and carpet floor.
You both frantically crawl along the floor as gunshots explode and echo through the cavernous, darkened theater, mingling with screams of the frightened, flashes of gunpowder and the moans of the wounded.
You furtively glance up to the pandemonium that surrounds you. With shock and disbelief, you see the gunman turning his focus on you and your wife, his gun now extended towards you, his next target. You raise your hand to the gunman in a desperate and feeble last gasp at defending your wife and yourself, all the while thinking... This can't be happening!
Suddenly, just to the right, two rows down, you see a man crouched behind the row of seats at the end of the aisle.
He has a gun! He is ready to fire on the sociopath who is committing the mayhem, who is creating the havoc and fear, who has brought the devil with him to the movies. You cannot believe there is someone else carrying a gun! And just as the good guy with a gun draws a bead in an attempt to stop the maniac with a demon's voice wailing in his head, possibly saving your life, you scream - "Put the freaking gun away! You might hurt someone with that thing!"
Yeah, right.
Near my town, we've had two break-ins in a couple of weeks. 10:00 PM at night, a group of 4-5 men bursting in the door and quickly controlling those inside. Carreraxxxx had this response to a U.S. Marine who stated he thought he was capable of defending his family with a gun in the home.
Carreraxxxx
@kcrxxx -- I'm happy for you, and your false sense of security with your arsenal that can be used against you and your family.
Suddenly, there is an insane banging on the front door. The kids scream in reaction to the ear-splitting noise. The Wife jumps up, frantic, looking at you for guidance, not understanding whats going on as she gathers the children to her.
And now you realize, much to your chagrin, the front door has been violently breached and footsteps pound down the hall towards you.
Your home has been breached by thugs looking for valuables and who may or may not have violence on their minds.
Sitting on the table next to you is a book. On the floor is your bowling ball. On the footstool, without explanation, a gun appears. Which one do you reach for to protect your family?
Yeah, Right.
On guns in the hands of trained individuals in schools, Bridgett xxxx had this to say about children paying a price for maniacs in schools.
Bridgett xxxx
Bridgett xxx, you are a teachers assistant and it's a beautiful spring day. The sun is shining, big fluffy clouds fill the sky and the Kindergarten class you are helping with is happy, content and fun. The Children have just settled down onto the floor for story time, about to listen to their favorite "Clifford" book when in a heartbeat, all hell breaks loose.
Your training kicks in and as you rush to close the door a man appears before you. Disheveled, dirty, a crazy look in his eyes and with him he has a handgun and a rifle. Before you can react to the situation, he shoots you in the shoulder, your collarbone exploding, a mist of blood surrounds your head and you fall back to the floor, feeling as though someone has just hit you full force with a baseball bat!
You groan as he steps over you, not even looking at you as he enters the room. The children are screaming, terrified, their little eyes wide as you hear shouts of "Mommy! Help, Mommy!" Sobs and squeals cut through the air as you try to regain your feet, now realizing that you are wounded but not out of the fight.
The horror before you is relentlessly unfolding unless you can do something, anything! The demon in your room has turned his cold, dark eyes on the huddled mass of squirming, crying, terrified children. You are staggering to your feet when you see the Teacher, Gail, a friend of yours, reach behind her back and come out with a Glock 19 with 15 + 1 rounds of 9 mm for the bad guy.
Your fear is at its height, screaming at you and you shout... "Goddamn, it Gail! No! You might hurt someone!"
Yeah, right.
Bad guys will always have guns and they will do harm and that will never change. No gun laws can prevent it. Signs can't stop it. Wishful thinking can't make them go away. Fairy Dust is of no help.
Murder is already against the law, so why would more "feel good" gun laws stop the madness?
I'm all for a conversation about curbing violence. I don't know a single person who isn't - Liberal, Conservative or Libertarian. But the anti-gunners insistence that it's all the fault of the gun is surreal, stupid and Hoplophobic and counterproductive to solving the problem .
Don't be a victim. Don't let your Children be victims. Guns are not the enemy, violence and the people who commit it, are.
Stay Safe and Carry Responsibly
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